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Trvth Jvstice · Feb 10, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Savio

What does bringing a self-heal have to do with justifying W/Mo's? You may want to look at the post above yours.

OK, I should have expanded that part of my post to be more clear about the need for a Warrior in PVE to use monk as his secondary. It just seemed so contrived, after I looked at my post when I explained , in detail what I meant, I decided to shorten it a bit at that part and assume folks would know what I meant. I should have said, something like-"In so many PVE pugs, a Warrior is not able to rely on the monk to consistently have the aptitude and ability to heal properly, so he is often required to take Monk as secondary, just to keep himself and his team alive long enough to salvage the mission when teamed with said bad monk. Sorry, I should have been more clear about that point.

NOTE: In NO way am I saying the Warrior should take skills to try to be a secondary healer--just what he needs to be able to escape a bad situation and hopefully be able to restart/continue the mission where it almost failed.
EDIT
AND: Honestly, I was hoping for a non-"Savio" type person to reply--no offense, but I was hoping for a regular Joe to attempt to find a flaw in my argument--I often play W/Mo in PVE after all---I had to put up a good argument for the team. But, my only monk skill is a hard rez--I just can't stand all of the W/Mo hate.

mrmango · Feb 10, 2008, 07:02 AM // 07:02

/mo doesn't let you heal well though. /D and even /A are better.

Btw, get better monks, or use a hero.

yum · Feb 10, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

Warrior job: Kill stuff.

So the most reasonable spec that help you do it are:
/e: shock
/d: rend
/n: rend
/me: pspike
/a: shadow step

and
/mo: for T3H MENDING

bathazard · Feb 10, 2008, 07:10 AM // 07:10

what is wrong with P/Prayers for a warrior i can out damage and out live and other W/Mo with P/Prayers. and the only use i can see for mending is for noobs who can't switch weapons when weilding vampric?.. Healing sig is alright as an 'After heal' but in battle -20 amour = owned. Serious just try doyakl and shielding hands, its not the best combo but it works better than mending. i can make awsome W/Mo builds, but hey you guys are the ones whom are saying using the monks secondary to heal is crap on a warrior not me... lol atleast we don't see no wammo's with heal area anymore... ahh ra the good old days(Going off topic).

Quote:

Originally Posted by yum

Warrior job: Kill stuff.

So the most reasonable spec that help you do it are:
/e: shock
/d: rend
/n: rend
/me: pspike
/a: shadow step

and
/mo: for T3H MENDING

read some posts a warrior is'nt there to kill stuff! it is there to hold aggro. Its a spong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

OK, I should have expanded that part of my post to be more clear about the need for a Warrior in PVE to use monk as his secondary. It just seemed so contrived, after I looked at my post when I explained , in detail what I meant, I decided to shorten it a bit at that part and assume folks would know what I meant. I should have said, something like-"In so many PVE pugs, a Warrior is not able to rely on the monk to consistently have the aptitude and ability to heal properly, so he is often required to take Monk as secondary, just to keep himself and his team alive long enough to salvage the mission when teamed with said bad monk. Sorry, I should have been more clear about that point. NOTE: In NO way am I saying the Warrior should take skills to try to be a secondary healer--just what he needs to be able to escape a bad situation and hopefully be able to restart/continue the mission where it almost failed.
EDIT
AND: Honestly, I was hoping for a non-"Savio" type person to reply--no offense, but I was hoping for a regular Joe to attempt to find a flaw in my argument--I often play W/Mo in PVE after all---I had to put up a good argument for the team. But, my only monk skill is a hard rez--I just can't stand all of the W/Mo hate.

also a hard res is useful [skill=text]Rebirth[/skill] comes to mind. but also some monk skills are useful. i am a true W/Mo 3 years of playing one and i can't find a flaw. to me they are more balanced than anyother class.(Mabye except necros...)

ready for a flame war...?

Terraban · Feb 10, 2008, 07:38 AM // 07:38

KazeMitsui · Feb 10, 2008, 07:58 AM // 07:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

what is wrong with P/Prayers for a warrior i can out damage and out live and other W/Mo with P/Prayers. and the only use i can see for mending is for noobs who can't switch weapons when weilding vampric?.. Healing sig is alright as an 'After heal' but in battle -20 amour = owned. Serious just try doyakl and shielding hands, its not the best combo but it works better than mending. i can make awsome W/Mo builds, but hey you guys are the ones whom are saying using the monks secondary to heal is crap on a warrior not me... lol atleast we don't see no wammo's with heal area anymore... ahh ra the good old days(Going off topic).

read some posts a warrior is'nt there to kill stuff! it is there to hold aggro. Its a spong.

also a hard res is useful [skill=text]Rebirth[/skill] comes to mind. but also some monk skills are useful. i am a true W/Mo 3 years of playing one and i can't find a flaw. to me they are more balanced than anyother class.(Mabye except necros...)

ready for a flame war...?

you are bad at game
/uninstal

Squishy ftw · Feb 10, 2008, 09:37 AM // 09:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

read some posts a warrior is'nt there to kill stuff! it is there to hold aggro. Its a spong.

A good warrior is there to kill stuff.

A bad warrior..well..listens to you..

Age · Feb 10, 2008, 11:08 AM // 11:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trvth Jvstice

OK, I should have expanded that part of my post to be more clear about the need for a Warrior in PVE to use monk as his secondary. It just seemed so contrived, after I looked at my post when I explained , in detail what I meant, I decided to shorten it a bit at that part and assume folks would know what I meant. I should have said, something like-"In so many PVE pugs, a Warrior is not able to rely on the monk to consistently have the aptitude and ability to heal properly, so he is often required to take Monk as secondary, just to keep himself and his team alive long enough to salvage the mission when teamed with said bad monk. Sorry, I should have been more clear about that point.

NOTE: In NO way am I saying the Warrior should take skills to try to be a secondary healer--just what he needs to be able to escape a bad situation and hopefully be able to restart/continue the mission where it almost failed.
EDIT
AND: Honestly, I was hoping for a non-"Savio" type person to reply--no offense, but I was hoping for a regular Joe to attempt to find a flaw in my argument--I often play W/Mo in PVE after all---I had to put up a good argument for the team. But, my only monk skill is a hard rez--I just can't stand all of the W/Mo hate.

The thing is when you take Monk healing spells into a mission and a Monk does see your skill bar they aren't going to heal you at all or very little.You got your own healing when you go out there whack at things.What you should be doing is damage to relieve the pressure off of them.

Yes Heal Sig or LC is your best heal.I will say this most that do have Monks take them through the game as fast they can and it the first character to beat a campaign.The reason is they don't want to get the terrible players coming in later.

Tyla · Feb 10, 2008, 11:59 AM // 11:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

what is wrong with P/Prayers for a warrior i can out damage and out live and other W/Mo with P/Prayers. and the only use i can see for mending is for noobs who can't switch weapons when weilding vampric?.. Healing sig is alright as an 'After heal' but in battle -20 amour = owned. Serious just try doyakl and shielding hands, its not the best combo but it works better than mending. i can make awsome W/Mo builds, but hey you guys are the ones whom are saying using the monks secondary to heal is crap on a warrior not me... lol atleast we don't see no wammo's with heal area anymore... ahh ra the good old days(Going off topic).

A: It's -40 Armour, not -20.
B: Dolyak Signet SNARES you.
C: Shielding Hands is a skill used by monks or solo builds.
If you are being snared and the AI moves a little (I've seen it.) you will be spending ages walking to him 'cause of Dolyak Signet.
Shielding Hands...basically your doing a monk's job...riiiight...

Quote:

me posts a warrior is'nt there to kill stuff! it is there to hold aggro. Its a spong.

Okay, now I know your secret...you're bad at the game.

Earth · Feb 10, 2008, 05:07 PM // 17:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

what is wrong with P/Prayers for a warrior i can out damage and out live and other W/Mo with P/Prayers.

Well, you shouldn't be dying in the first place. Get better monks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

mending is for noobs

Atleast we agree on one thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

Healing sig is alright as an 'After heal' but in battle -20 amour = owned.

I suggest you practice with it. Healing Signet is the best self heal a warrior has. Also, it's -40 armor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

Serious just try doyakl and shielding hands, its not the best combo but it works better than mending. i can make awsome W/Mo builds, but hey you guys are the ones whom are saying using the monks secondary to heal is crap on a warrior not me...

If you use Dolyak and your target runs away, you have no chance to kill him. Which is a warriors job. Shielding Hands is bad, except for farming.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

read some posts a warrior is'nt there to kill stuff! it is there to hold aggro. Its a spong.

A warrior is there to kill stuff. Yes, it can tank, but it can do so without any special skills.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

also a hard res is useful [skill=text]Rebirth[/skill] comes to mind. but also some monk skills are useful. i am a true W/Mo 3 years of playing one and i can't find a flaw. to me they are more balanced than anyother class.(Mabye except necros...)

Well, I suppose a hard res could be useful. I wouldn't know, I don't usually die <_<. The only monk skills you should really take are Mending Touch, and, well perhaps a hard res.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

ready for a flame war...?

If you want to get banned, go right ahead.

Terraban · Feb 10, 2008, 05:18 PM // 17:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

i am a true W/Mo 3 years of playing one and i can't find a flaw. to me they are more balanced than anyother class.(Mabye except necros...)

Goes to show that GW is really a game made for casual players and 8 yr olds.

If someone can go 3 years with a godawful build, and never be forced to find a flaw in their godawful build, then the game obviously needs it's difficulty readjusted.

1 up and 2 down · Feb 12, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

I am a W/Mo so I can have a hard rez.

isamu kurosawa · Feb 12, 2008, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1 up and 2 down

I am a W/Mo so I can have a hard rez.

And i'm a W/Rt so i can have a better one.

Yichi · Feb 13, 2008, 12:03 AM // 00:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by bathazard

read some posts a warrior is'nt there to kill stuff! it is there to hold aggro. Its a spong.

Here's where your train of thought left the station and crashed into a lake...

Crom The Pale · Feb 13, 2008, 02:54 PM // 14:54

While I won't say that Mending Touch and a hard res are the only reasons to go war/monk they are best reasons.

I joined a pug the other day to do a quest in GWEN, upon seeing were were 6/8 and no live monks I swapped my secondary from elementalist to monk and grabbed Rebirth. Almost half way into the mission I was reberthing over half the party. We did manage to complete the mission(assualt on the stronghold).

If you go with monk for your secondary simply to keep yourself alive longer then you are missing the point of being a warrior.

To quote the Jem'Hadar...."Victory is Life!"
If your opponent is dead then he can't hurt you at all

Jam Jar · Mar 06, 2008, 08:29 AM // 08:29

From my understanding, people love the W/Mo simply because they think they're a warrior that heals. But obviously you're gonna suck balls if that were the case.

Bobby2 · Mar 06, 2008, 03:58 PM // 15:58

I eez l33t Paladin.

Tyla · Mar 06, 2008, 04:17 PM // 16:17

Nice, Jam Jar, thread rez gogo...
I found my answer aaaaaaages ago.

Torqual · Mar 06, 2008, 05:02 PM // 17:02

For PvE usage, Rebirth. Optional in explorable areas, not optional in missions. As a Warrior you have possibly the highest survivability in the party (bar Ranger). Not bringing Rebirth is a mistake. Note that I don't advocate Rebirth for mid-combat res. Clearly DPS/Res Sig/Sunspear better.

For PvP usage, Mending Touch mainly. Depends on the kind of PvP you are playing. In RA and AB, Restful Breeze and/or Healing Breeze are viable. Before anyone gets angry with me for mentioning HBreeze, mine lasts 18 seconds, bear this in mind before giving outdated criticism, and say what you would use instead when you can't rely on a monk being available.

Tyla · Mar 06, 2008, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Your point about HBreeze, Torqual?
It's a bad skill and always has been. Regeneration isn't a good way of healing at all - even Healing Signet mid-battle is more effective...